DAY ONE: AFTERNOON (IV) – Barry

Barry: Magnes. [MAGNES JACK: Hello.] Magnes, I get the whole having fun thing. But I’m still not sure that I will be able to sustain it for long.

MAGNES JACK: I don’t follow you. Why do you want to sustain having fun?

Barry: Isn’t that the point?

MAGNES JACK: No. The point is to grow and enjoy life. How can we grow if we remain fixed in the way we see ourselves? Well, we can’t. But yet to change, we need to shift how we see ourselves and thereby see new possibilities. But that is difficult. Change is difficult. It’s an effort. Now, just because something is an effort, doesn’t mean it can’t be fun! But that’s how we tend to think. So, all I’m saying here is that we inject some fun into the proceedings, so we can be more fluid, see more new possibilities, act on them, experience new things, learn and grow – and enjoy life!!!

But if we are trying to sustain anything, fun or depressing, it all gets a bit heavy and serious. And we want to bring in more light and fun. This is not to say that life is not desperately sad at times, because it is. We are not removing any ingredient from life. It is all they to be enjoyed. It is merely our approach to life, and ourselves, that we are exploring here.

Does that help in any way Barry?

Barry: I think I was getting a bit hooked onto the fun thing. [Laughing]

MAGNES JACK: Well, Barry, there are worse things to be hooked on!